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  MY JC - I AM SO SICK

  by rebel in

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  i have never tried to hurt anyone in my life.

  i have always tried to love others from my own childhood upbringing.. i have been treated like a traitor.

  everything i said was twisted.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  sorry to hear that your JC went so bad Rebel.

  Hang in there, we're here for each other. ((((Rebel))))

  Winston.
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  586/587 the K.I.S.S. approach --- no VAT4956, Ptolemy, Josephus needed

  by Alleymom in

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  nabonidus -- 17 years.

  nebuchadnezzar -- 43 years.

  nabonidus -- 17 years

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Brilliant post Marjorie. One can't beat the K.I.S.S. method. Especially when using the WTS lit. It may get some JW doubting if they have to believe everything the GB says.

  Winston.
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  A Great Ex-JW Reunion!!

  by kitties_and_horses_oh_my! in

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  my hiusband and i left the organization almost a year ago.

  since then, i've thought many times of a friend who had da'd herself about 4 years ago.

  a few weeks after she'd da'd herself we passed in a bathroom at a local store.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  That is beautiful. It must have made your heart melt to hear her on your answering machine saying those kind words!

  Winston.
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  Do you remember your last meeting?

  by freedom96 in

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  last meeting i ever went to was a memorial, 6 years ago.

  i remember it well, and it wasn't even my own hall.

  it was so boring.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Yep, last week Tuesday, the Isaiah book study. It was craptastic.

  Winston.
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  Took a Severe Beating Last Night.

  by Yizuman in

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  2. friends

  last night some whacko beat me up while i was in bed.

  nothing is broken, but i'll be seriously bruised for a while.

  my left shoulder blade took the most of the beating when i had huddled face down, with legs tucked underneath and arms wrapped around my head and ribs for protection.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Wow, sorry to hear this yiz.

  I'm sorry to hear about your living conditions also; that's gotta be tough.

  Good luck on finding employment.

  Hang in there,

  Winston.
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hi scholar, Alan, and others,

  It has been very interesting reading all of the points here. I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed in scholar though because I was very interested in hearing his case backed up with proof. But he hasn’t really done so yet. He just keeps on noting different books without citing specific quotes that refute Alan’s and others points. I just may be stupid, but I like the way that Alan uses specific quotes from references and then comments on it. That helps me see his viewpoint easily.

  I really would like a balanced discussion here, and I have to admit that I am unfamiliar with the books that scholar is referring to, so it would be helpful it he could quote these books as Alan F is.

  Scholar, you cited 2 Chronicles 36:20-21 and Leviticus 26:34-35. I am really sorry, but I just don’t see your point being backed up in these scriptures. Maybe you could quote some of the references that you cited to help me out?

  For me, once the WTS blinders were off, things regarding what the 70 years meant seemed clearer to me. I just started looking at this on Monday of this week, so I don’t have a lot of history [pun intended] in dealing with this subject. But I am very interested in hearing everyone’s viewpoints to have more of an educated opinion.

  I have to admit that earlier this week when I reviewed this info, I find myself coming to the same conclusions that Alan states regarding the end of the seventy years. I have not read the book by COJ, so I don’t really know if my new understanding even comes close to COJ’s explanation or not.

  But when I look at the scriptures you cited:

  *** Rbi8 Leviticus 26:34-35 *** 34 “‘At that time the land will pay off its sabbaths all the days of its lying desolated, while YOU are in the land of YOUR enemies . At that time the land will keep sabbath, as it must repay its sabbaths. 35 All the days of its lying desolated it will keep sabbath, for the reason that it did not keep sabbath during YOUR sabbaths when YOU were dwelling upon it.

  Here it seems clear to me that the desolation was to include the time that the captives were taken from Jerusalem into Babylon. That happened before the destruction of Jerusalem AFAIK.

  *** Rbi8 2 Chronicles 36:20-21 *** 20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign; 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.

  Here there are a few key words that stand out to me. Until seems to indicate to me what Alan has already stated. If Babylon fell, they are no longer in power. The one who has conquered is now in power. I think that it is a moot point debating the accession year or regnal year of Cyrus over Babylon because all we need to know here is when Babylon fell, they were no longer in power and Persia then was in power.

  A big key word here is to me is servant. 2 Chronicles tells us that we are to understand this scripture in light of what was spoken by Jeremiah. And Jeremiah continually spoke of servitude in his prophecy, and even made a yoke showing how the seventy years meant servitude to Babylon. .

  Jeremiah simply states that the seventy years were up when:

  *** Rbi8 Jeremiah 25:11-12 *** 12 “‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of Babylon and against that nation,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chal·de'ans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite.

  It was made a desolate waste when the Medes and Persians conquered it. I guess one can debate about what dates correspond to what event. But to me the above scriptures reveal the following basic facts:

  1. The seventy years started when the Jews were made servants of Babylon, not when Jerusalem was destroyed.
  2. The seventy years ended when Babylon was destroyed, and not when the Jews were returned to Jerusalem

  Now all of the above conclusions are based on the Bible alone. But without going into dates that archaeology has confirmed, IMHO it seems evident that there are a few holes in the WTS chronology.

  Winston.
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  I WENT TO THE ASSEMBLY YESTERDAY HAHA!!!

  by Mary in

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  2. friends

  well i went to the assembly yesterday, to see what bullshit they'd come up with this year to be upbuilt and i certainly won't go next year wasn't disappointed!

  did you know that there are (gasp!

  ) apostates on the internet??!!

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Ah... Poor Winston Smith.....thinking of you -hope the wife wakes up soon

  Thx, it's good to hear that people are still thinking of me here.

  Things have cooled down. The elders feel they have done their job realigning my thinking and no JC was called. The wife is still in high hopes that I'll jump back on the horse and ride at full gallop again. But I just tell her that I need to do more studies of the scriptures before I do such a thing. We'll see how it goes. It’s tough going to meetings though. I never realized how much propaganda there is spewed out at every meeting.

  Recently we had the CO visit and I rec'd ALOT of attention from him, even though I skipped the Thu meeting and Sat FS. I still got to have Sun meeting hospitality with him, Fri dinner with some friends and the CO, and a special visit at my office [no one else at work saw, so it was ok]. Nice guy. He said he would be looking FWD to seeing me at our special day coming up soon. Happy-Happy, Joy-Joy

  Winston.
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  Furuli's New Books--Attempt to Refute COJonsson

  by ros in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just heard that the norwegian watchtower apologist, rolf furuli, who esteems himself a biblical scholar of semetic languages, has completed the first of two volumes he plans to publish on the societys chronology, assyrian, babylonian, egyptian and persian chronology compared with the chronology of the bible.. title of this first volume is: persian chronology and the length of the babylonian exile of the jews.. i hear that although carl olof jonsson is not mentioned by name, or reference made to his book "gentile times reconsidered," it is nevertheless apparent that these volumes are an attempt to refute jonssons excellent study which has exposed the watchtowers 1914 date as total folly.. .

  the book can be ordered now from furulis new personal website:.

  http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  First, what secular history shall I start with?

  Yes, I'd like to see this too, if only to expose my newly freed mind to all of the information that the rest of you here have already been exposed to.

  I think it would be of great benefit for all of us here on the board who have not been exposed to this type of open discussion before regarding 587/607.

  Winston.
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  Can i be disfellowshipped or punised if i proceed with...

  by vader03 in

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  a seperation or divorce and neither party has commited adultery/fornication??

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  Winston Smith :>D

  After talking to you and seeing that you intend to proceed with this w/out 'scriptural' grounds, they can then give a talk on a Service Meeting describing the situation w/out mentioning names, and then stating that such a person who proceeded in such fashion would be 'marked'.

  Of course most everyone in the cong. will know who the talk is pointed to, and there after you will be 'marked' by the congregation.

  As mentioned, all privileges would be removed from you.

  Winston.
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  New light question

  by yxl1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was discussing with my motherinlaw last weekend the change in the 1995 "generation" doctrine,and got the usual response that it was a new light.

  what started out as a little bit of fun during a long car journey actually turning into something quite sad and disturbing.

  i argued that old light was obviously wrong (by their own definition), and therefore, by her reasoning she has been preaching lies.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  This is the NT scripture that the WTS will use to back up the 'new light' scripture in Pr:

  *** Rbi8 1 Corinthians 13:12 *** 12 For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.

  Winston.